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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » January 2nd, 2019, 12:24 am

Hm. Replaying Dark Souls 1, I really do admire the purity of concept it had. Plus the interconnected map design was brilliant. It didn't need fancy graphics, realistic spaces, it simply used level geometry in a very effective way. Even the dickish traps were kind of endearing, plus the theme of chopping the tails off things. It's rougher, frustrating too (Priscilla's tail), but has an archaic design charm. Plus parrying is actually usable.

I'm on DS2, my favorite in the series, right now. A lot of improvements of course, I do enjoy the torch system, though parrying is fucking useless with how far in advance you have to commit. Better weapon choices, more fun builds, and unlike DS3, it tries to do its own story with the roots laid by the first, rather than going for jerking off the fans (too much).

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Postby TheodoricFriede » January 2nd, 2019, 1:28 am

Personally i rank the soulsbourne games, from best to worst, Bloodborne, DS1, DS2, DS3.

Bloodborne is basically perfect.

DS1 is a beautiful idea executed in a way that lets you ignore the flaws.

DS2 fixes a lot of DS1's faults, but also breaks some of the great aspects.

DS3 does nothing right. The combat is the worst, the story is the worst, the level design is the worst. The more I have thought about it, the more I have come to dislike the game.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Azint » January 2nd, 2019, 1:04 pm

I rank them as DS3 > BB > DS1 > DS2

I played about twenty minutes of Demon's Souls, so I can't give it a fair review. Because of that, Dark Souls 1 is the one that started it all to me, and of course a lot of the success is owed to it. I agree with the overworld layout, and I think that the game still holds up fairly well today. But at the time of release, DS1 felt like a game 10 years older, if that makes sense. It's very rough around the edges, but the overall package is still solid and this was the initial setting that captured a very good sense of mystery and wonder about the world. It has good enemy variety, good boss variety, and a lot of broken and obviously inferior builds/gear, whether by design or by accident. It is still a super charming game that I remember fondly, and still occasionally revisit.

DS2 is the weakest one, in my opinion, but still a great game in its own right and I know that it is still my most played in the series. I have the art book, and I read a lot of the behind the scenes stories about what they wanted to do, and I wish we got the game they wanted us to have and not the game they had to settle with. Scholar of the First Sin did fix and improve quite a bit over the base game, but the larger faults still remain. DS2 has a pretty awkward map, and I felt way too many of the enemies felt too similar. Granted, just about every enemy can be fought the same way, but I felt like they all reacted too similarly to each other. I actually appreciate how unpredictable many enemies are in the series, and I felt that wasn't the case in DS2. But again, DS2 was still a great game, and I did also approve of the torch mechanic.

Bloodborne, I adored. I played it a year later when I finally got a PS4, and it became one of my favorite titles of 2016, and I think it is my favorite PS4 exclusive still. In terms of setting and story, Bloodborne absolutely delivers. I loved how it starts out like a fever-dream Van Helsing before it turns into Hellboy. Yharnam is one of the best settings in a game I have ever played, and the enemy variety in BB is almost absurd. There is a lot of untold story-telling in the game, and I think it's one of the most successful examples.

I loved Dark Souls 3, I name it my favorite title because I felt it took the best aspects of all of the titles and rolled them into one. While not quite like Bloodborne, they increased the pace of combat to a near-level while still retaining the classic Dark Souls formula. I didn't take an issue with them rehashing story beats from previous titles, because they managed to make that very fact a huge part of the story; the endless cycle. Again, I approve that they merged Bloodborne into Dark Souls, and you get a lot of mileage out of that in the environment, enemy, and boss designs. The first fight with Iudex Gundyr perfectly set the tone fore the rest of the game. An ancient titan trapped in a mournful and heroic pose with his weapon down, you enter the arena and he steadily rises to greet you with glowing red eyes. The battle begins and he relentlessly attacks you and you are immediately out on the defensive, and by the time you knock him to his halfway point, the motherfucker erupts into a mass of black tentacles and snakes and comes at you with even more ferocity. Every boss in the game had at least two phases, and no two battles were alike. The DLC surprised me, especially the Ringed City with how mad it gets.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheodoricFriede » January 2nd, 2019, 5:14 pm

Azint wrote:
I loved Dark Souls 3, I name it my favorite title because I felt it took the best aspects of all of the titles and rolled them into one.

I just feel like it tried to do everything, and did none of it well.

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Postby SciFlyBoy » January 2nd, 2019, 6:44 pm

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Postby Vol » January 2nd, 2019, 11:27 pm

So that's effectively from the edge of what the laymen considers the solar system, right? The belt of matter where Pluto is?

@DS talk: The dragon form in DS3 is painful. Undead Crypts in DS2 is the worst stage in that game, the red phantom spawns are so dickish combined with those fucking statue ghosts. Which is a shame, since I genuinely enjoy the torch/dark mechanics in that one. Shrine isn't too bad if you know what it has, since those lurker positions can be rough, and you have to clear every magic bitch or you're going to get stunlocked at some point.

Generally the combat is better, more varied builds, but this late game habit of having normal enemies with really high poise and combo rushes is frustrating because parrying is so gimped. You have to predict too far in advance compared to DS1. It's a feast or famine tactic, it should not be extra punishing to go for one because enemies can vary how many combo strikes they do on the fly.

I wish Drangleic Castle was longer, more interior areas like Anor Londo had. Those bedrooms we go through on the silver knight gauntlet did a lot to establish that this was a place people and gods lived in once. The sewers had the butcher and his meat table. The Gutter had a kitchen and makeshift beds, these are important details.

I'm at 53 intelligence now, and have enough spice to use soul geyser whenever I get it, but I'm debating respeccing since late game sorceries aren't actually worth the investment now that I'm getting them. Don't hit hard enough, and I'm getting to the point where +10 desert thot clothes aren't cutting it.

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Postby Joblom » January 3rd, 2019, 12:52 am

I just wanted to say hello, again! Sort of. I was Nik0mba on Clan Zorah back on the BSN, though I didn't post a whole lot. Some Skyrim screen shots and such. I always meant to transition over to here when the BSN was closing down but never got around to it and then, wow, a whole year has gone by. It really flies.

Anyway, I never played Andromeda because there were no quarians in it and I didn't like the soft-reboot idea, not that I have passionate feelings about ME:A one way or the other. Mass Effect has been on the back burner for me for a while but it's always with me as it is one of my favorite settings. In fact last month I read the books "Time's Eye", "Sunstorm", and "Firstborn" by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter and it was clear to me that Mass Effect drew inspiration from them. All of a sudden I had this terrible urge to discuss this setting and its denizens with somebody, and you bunch are rather my type, in fact.

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Postby Raga » January 3rd, 2019, 9:18 am

Joblom wrote: In fact last month I read the books "Time's Eye", "Sunstorm", and "Firstborn" by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter and it was clear to me that Mass Effect drew inspiration from them.


Bioware totally pulls whole plotlines from various novels. The whole subplot with the rachni is basically just the plot of Ender's Game for one. And the Qunari are basically the Seanchan from the Wheel of Time.

And there is more inspirational rather than direct mining as well - such as the Reapers being big space-god Lovecraftian Cthulhu monsters.

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Postby SciFlyBoy » January 3rd, 2019, 11:09 am

Joblom wrote: In fact last month I read the books "Time's Eye", "Sunstorm", and "Firstborn" by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter and it was clear to me that Mass Effect drew inspiration from them.
I'm interested in reading those too. Is there any order to them?
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Postby Joblom » January 3rd, 2019, 9:46 pm

Raga wrote:Bioware totally pulls whole plotlines from various novels. The whole subplot with the rachni is basically just the plot of Ender's Game for one. And the Qunari are basically the Seanchan from the Wheel of Time.

And there is more inspirational rather than direct mining as well - such as the Reapers being big space-god Lovecraftian Cthulhu monsters.


"The Mote In God's Eye" was perhaps the inspiration for one of Mass Effect's more memorable species as well.

SciFlyBoy wrote: I'm interested in reading those too. Is there any order to them?


The order I listed is the reading order.

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Postby Vol » January 4th, 2019, 12:06 am

Hey, Nik/Job! Always good to have another old clan member come by again. I'm pleasantly surprised how someone shows up every few months, even 3 years in.

DS3: Started DS3, now I'm reminded why it bugged me. Way too fast. Bloodborne enemies outright, starting with the crow-men then the giant hollows in the first swamp. Driven home with the black knight there, how he's way faster and can vary his combos. Feels like my input is being read with some enemies. Which is fine in a game like BB, but DS is slower, more methodical, but I have to play it FAST or get flurried to death.

Maybe my opinion will change as I get more levels, since I picked pyromancer and the awkward stat distribution gives me almost no direct combat benefit.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » January 4th, 2019, 12:21 am

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DS3: Started DS3, now I'm reminded why it bugged me. Way too fast.

Correct.

You are basically railroaded into one playstyle.

Its telling that I was able to play a significantly more effective caster in Bloodborne than I was in DS3.

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Postby Dragaros » January 4th, 2019, 12:38 am

Joblom wrote:I just wanted to say hello, again! Sort of. I was Nik0mba on Clan Zorah back on the BSN, though I didn't post a whole lot. Some Skyrim screen shots and such. I always meant to transition over to here when the BSN was closing down but never got around to it and then, wow, a whole year has gone by. It really flies.


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Postby Raga » January 4th, 2019, 9:10 am

Joblom wrote:
Raga wrote:Bioware totally pulls whole plotlines from various novels. The whole subplot with the rachni is basically just the plot of Ender's Game for one. And the Qunari are basically the Seanchan from the Wheel of Time.

And there is more inspirational rather than direct mining as well - such as the Reapers being big space-god Lovecraftian Cthulhu monsters.


"The Mote In God's Eye" was perhaps the inspiration for one of Mass Effect's more memorable species as well.


That book is on my to-read list. I mostly read fantasy and nonfiction, but I've made an active goal to try to read more sci-fi this year.

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Postby Sinekein » January 4th, 2019, 9:25 am

I think we have reached a point in sci-fi where creating something entirely original taking no inspiration from previous stories is almost impossible. Which is fine as homages can be equally as good if not better than the originals.

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Postby Someone With Mass » January 4th, 2019, 9:29 am

Shit, Star Wars had plenty of inspirations from other sci-fi at the start. It all depends on what you do with the material you have.
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Postby Alienmorph » January 4th, 2019, 9:44 am

Considering also that ME isn't just science fiction, but a very specifi branch of sci-fi, yeah... there's only so much you can do without finding similarities with other stories of that kind. But when the execution is good, that's not a problem in my books.

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Postby Joblom » January 4th, 2019, 9:54 am

Raga wrote:That book is on my to-read list. I mostly read fantasy and nonfiction, but I've made an active goal to try to read more sci-fi this year.


I've been meaning for a while now to read more non-fiction but have only managed to get around to one over the summer, an account by the American astronaut on Mir in the late 90's when the station caught fire. It was a very good read.


Someone With Mass wrote:Shit, Star Wars had plenty of inspirations from other sci-fi at the start. It all depends on what you do with the material you have.


I've always felt Star Wars was fantasy rather than science fiction.

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Postby Raga » January 4th, 2019, 10:04 am

Sinekein wrote:I think we have reached a point in sci-fi where creating something entirely original taking no inspiration from previous stories is almost impossible. Which is fine as homages can be equally as good if not better than the originals.


Sure, it's not a criticism. Just an observation.

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Postby Raga » January 4th, 2019, 10:07 am

Joblom wrote:I've always felt Star Wars was fantasy rather than science fiction.


Yep. If it has actual magic it's fantasy. If the magic is explained scientifically, it's sci-fi.

Which I suppose means it depends on how seriously you take that midichlorians thing.

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Postby Sinekein » January 4th, 2019, 11:56 am

Raga wrote:
Sinekein wrote:I think we have reached a point in sci-fi where creating something entirely original taking no inspiration from previous stories is almost impossible. Which is fine as homages can be equally as good if not better than the originals.


Sure, it's not a criticism. Just an observation.


No worries, I know, I'm often guilty of finding links between stories.

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Postby Azint » January 4th, 2019, 5:05 pm

I caved and bought a Switch today. Arceus help me.

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Joblom wrote:
I've always felt Star Wars was fantasy rather than science fiction.


If Lord of the Rings is pure fantasy and Star Trek is pure sci-fi, I'd consider something like Star Wars that has elements of both to be in the Science Fantasy genre. Its got the setting, technology, alien species, and space exploration of a classic science fiction tale, combined with supernatural magic, sorcerers, divine or semi-divine beings, villains the embody the "Dark Lord" and "Black Knight" archetypes, and a confirmed afterlife; things you often see in traditional fantasy.
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Postby Dragaros » January 4th, 2019, 5:26 pm

Some video game rumors I'm seeing circulating the interwebs (As always take with a grain of salt):

--A new BioShock will come out sometime in 2020.

--Fable 4 is in the works, being done by Playground Studios, and it will be an Xbox excusive. Also will be releasing sometime in 2020.

--The rest of Smash Bros Ultimate's DLC characters will be:

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Postby Someone With Mass » January 4th, 2019, 5:29 pm

Azint wrote:I caved and bought a Switch today. Arceus help me.


ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

I personally haven't had too many opportunities to play on mine, but the few games I have are stellar.
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Postby TheodoricFriede » January 4th, 2019, 5:30 pm

Dragaros wrote:https://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-rules-out-the-possibility-of-an-official-bowsette-but-shes-real-all-the-same/


All that proves is that no one but Toadette can use the item in game.

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Postby Azint » January 4th, 2019, 5:50 pm


Finally. I've been asking for him since I started playing Heroes of the Storm.
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I am still rather sore that Nintendo announced the Switch shortly after I bought a WiiU. I bought the WiiU specifically for Smash, and history repeats. So at the moment I don't have a lot of variety in my game library.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » January 4th, 2019, 6:40 pm

Azint wrote:I am still rather sore that Nintendo announced the Switch shortly after I bought a WiiU. I bought the WiiU specifically for Smash, and history repeats. So at the moment I don't have a lot of variety in my game library.

For what its worth, you can do some pretty amazing stuff with a jail-broken WiiU.

its one of the best things to put Retroarch on.

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Postby Alienmorph » January 4th, 2019, 7:58 pm

So I guess I'll be the next on the list to get a Switch. I might even try BotW at some point, even tho I was never too big of a fan of the whole "big fantasy open world" shtick. Stuff like Smash and Mario Odissey is a given, and since my PC doesn't run recent AAA stuff all that well, I might finally catch on with stuff like Doom as well...

Need a new graphic tablet first tho, something that can actually speed up how much it takes me to complete a picture. So a Switch is still several months away for me, at least.

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Postby Mazder » January 4th, 2019, 8:09 pm

Alienmorph wrote:So I guess I'll be the next on the list to get a Switch. I might even try BotW at some point, even tho I was never too big of a fan of the whole "big fantasy open world" shtick. Stuff like Smash and Mario Odissey is a given, and since my PC doesn't run recent AAA stuff all that well, I might finally catch on with stuff like Doom as well...

Need a new graphic tablet first tho, something that can actually speed up how much it takes me to complete a picture. So a Switch is still several months away for me, at least.

See now I can't decide if I should get a switch or a Vive or put some money towards a cintiq.
Mind you I barely do any digital art stuff these days but I want to get back into it.
Nothing inspires me any more though.
I'm just bereft of inspiration.

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Postby Sinekein » January 4th, 2019, 9:00 pm

It is very likely I will get a Switch around May if the reviews of Fire Emblem:Three Houses make it look like it is similar in quality to Awakening. If it is another dating sim with a story full of holes like Fates, however, I will probably pass.

What stops me at the moment is that the games, like all Nintendo games, never see their prices go down, but now, unlike Nintendo games before, they are the exact same prices than Sony's or Microsoft's.

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Postby Joblom » January 4th, 2019, 9:52 pm

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Alienmorph wrote:So I guess I'll be the next on the list to get a Switch. I might even try BotW at some point, even tho I was never too big of a fan of the whole "big fantasy open world" shtick. Stuff like Smash and Mario Odissey is a given, and since my PC doesn't run recent AAA stuff all that well, I might finally catch on with stuff like Doom as well...

Need a new graphic tablet first tho, something that can actually speed up how much it takes me to complete a picture. So a Switch is still several months away for me, at least.

See now I can't decide if I should get a switch or a Vive or put some money towards a cintiq.
Mind you I barely do any digital art stuff these days but I want to get back into it.
Nothing inspires me any more though.
I'm just bereft of inspiration.


I have a Switch but I don't use it for much. Breath of the Wild disappointed me after a while. Odyssey is fun... my little brother got it for Christmas last year. I also have Mega Man X legacy collection (part 1).


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Joblom wrote:
I've always felt Star Wars was fantasy rather than science fiction.


If Lord of the Rings is pure fantasy and Star Trek is pure sci-fi, I'd consider something like Star Wars that has elements of both to be in the Science Fantasy genre.


I don't see that Star Wars, at least the original trilogy, has any science fiction elements in it. Nothing beyond the shallow observation that it has space, space-ships, and aliens, anyway. To me science fiction deals with technology and its consequences. That's the SCIENCE and FICTION part of it. Fantasy is more generally a focus on the human condition and teaching lessons about life. Of-course they can blend to varying degrees but I don't see that the original Star Wars films ever deal at all with the consequences of technology or scientific discovery. You could replace the space ships with sailboats, space with water, the planets with islands or continents, the aliens with people or beings of different cultures, the Death Star with a magic spell or sword or holy artifact, and the Force with magic. Wouldn't have to rewrite much, just the alter the presentation.

Now I admit that the prequels and some of the EU do try to pull Star Wars closer to science fiction but I think that was a mistake anyway. As well I'm not sure that I'd consider the old "space opera" stories about green women on Mars and Venus to be science fiction. Where's the science in it? From the Earth to the Moon and the War of the Worlds are classic science fiction and they deal with scientific concepts, technology, and the consequences of such.

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Postby Sinekein » January 4th, 2019, 10:18 pm

I have already seen the term "space fantasy" being used.

But since it also features impossibly advanced technology - whose explanation is not at the heart of the story - it might still be called science-fiction, albeit one that is extremely soft on the scale that goes from "magic" to "only understandable with a PhD in astrophysics".

Nowadays I find it hard to judge Star Wars outside of its extended universe (or what remains of it), and books or games tend to spend a bit more time on the technology. In an opposite vein, an anthology like the Vorkosigan Saga, which is harder on the SF scale, features several books (Captain Vorpatril's Alliance for example) where the science is in the backseat, as it is in the Star Wars OT movies. Like you can tell Mass Effect stories that don't bother with science much.

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Postby Dragaros » January 4th, 2019, 11:07 pm

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There were times when I would have said the exact same thing if you had told me Snake, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit trainer, Cloud, Bayonetta, Ryu, Ken, Piranha Plant, or Joker from Persona 5 would be playable in Smash. Yet here we are. Not saying I believe these rumors, mind you, just an observation.

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I don't see that Star Wars, at least the original trilogy, has any science fiction elements in it. Nothing beyond the shallow observation that it has space, space-ships, and aliens, anyway. To me science fiction deals with technology and its consequences. That's the SCIENCE and FICTION part of it. Fantasy is more generally a focus on the human condition and teaching lessons about life. Of-course they can blend to varying degrees but I don't see that the original Star Wars films ever deal at all with the consequences of technology or scientific discovery. You could replace the space ships with sailboats, space with water, the planets with islands or continents, the aliens with people or beings of different cultures, the Death Star with a magic spell or sword or holy artifact, and the Force with magic. Wouldn't have to rewrite much, just the alter the presentation.

Now I admit that the prequels and some of the EU do try to pull Star Wars closer to science fiction but I think that was a mistake anyway. As well I'm not sure that I'd consider the old "space opera" stories about green women on Mars and Venus to be science fiction. Where's the science in it? From the Earth to the Moon and the War of the Worlds are classic science fiction and they deal with scientific concepts, technology, and the consequences of such.


Well, it depends on what precise definition/distinction/specifics of "science fiction" we're working with. For example, there are some science fiction purists out there who wouldn't consider Star Trek to be science fiction, because of the very strict parameters of the term they use. (For the record, I would disagree with their position.)

I wouldn't say sci-fi has to deal with technology and the consequences of technology in its narrative specifically, even if that's common. And science fiction deals with the human condition and lessons about life all the time, so I wouldn't agree that its more of a Fantasy thing, even if generally.

There's legions of sub-grenres out there: Hard Sci-Fi, Soft Sci-Fi, Military Sci-Fi, Space Opera, Space Western, Steampunk, Cyberpunk, Atompunk, Dieselpunk, Nanopunk, Dystopian Fiction, Apocalyptic, "Voyages Extrordinaires" as Jules Verne referred to them, Sci-Fi Comedy, Sci-Fi Horror, Sci-Fi Romance, Pulp, Retro Futurism, Time Travel, Parallel Worlds, Alternate History, Science Fantasy, etc. And of course, all of theses sub-genres can and do crossover, overlap, and intermingle in countless ways.

I don't want to assume or misunderstand you, but it seems like you're talking more about what is referred to as Hard Sci-Fi, were science and technology do take center-stage, are explained and explored in focused detail, and the story aims to provide scientific realism. To which, I would agree that something like Star Wars is certainly not Hard Sci-Fi.
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Joblom » January 4th, 2019, 11:35 pm

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I don't want to assume or misunderstand you, but it seems like you're talking more about what is referred to as Hard Sci-Fi, were science and technology do take center-stage, are explained and explored in focused detail, and the story aims to provide scientific realism. To which, I would agree that something like Star Wars is certainly not Hard Sci-Fi.


No, I'm not talking about hard sci-fi. Mass Effect is science fiction, but why? It takes a relatively simple idea, the mass effect, which is an element that lets the mass of objects be altered on the fly, and it then builds a universe and technology around that. It's not hard science fiction precisely because they are inventing a totally new element with a radical effect out of thin air, but it is science fiction because their universe works its science based on this premise in a relatively consistent way. Mass Effect fields give us shields, faster than light travel, and gravity on space-ships. Biotics take things a bit further towards the "fantasy" end of the fiction spectrum. As well as Mass Effect tries to explain, in basic scientific terms, why its alien species appear in the forms that they do. It tackles the idea of nano-machines with its omni-gel, which can construct weapons and armor on the fly and repair things but is itself a consumable resource as it requires raw material.

It's true that classifications are artificial and that we can make them whatever they want. If we decide that science fiction at its simplest means ships in space then I suppose Star Wars is science fiction. Personally I don't think such a definition is valid because it is not specific enough to be useful. There are all sorts of science fiction stories that have nothing to do with space or space ships. So what makes those science fiction? A useful definition of science fiction must apply to as many stories as possible while also linking them together in a coherent and meaningful way.

Oh dear, is this really worth arguing about? It doesn't matter much. I just want good stories. I want good Star Wars movies. I don't think either will happen.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheodoricFriede » January 5th, 2019, 12:33 am

Dragaros wrote:
There were times when I would have said the exact same thing if you had told me Snake, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit trainer, Cloud, Bayonetta, Ryu, Ken, Piranha Plant, or Joker from Persona 5 would be playable in Smash.


First off they will never put Doom Guy in Super Smash Brothers. Aside from being too violent, he has no discernible qualities aside from "he shoots things". He is less of a character then Waluigi, and that is saying something.

Second, I dont believe Nintendo will ever add a character to Smash that isn't from a Japanese developer.
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Postby Vol » January 5th, 2019, 12:34 am

DS3: I like the idea of the Cathedral of the Deep. I like the lore of the Deep. I want some answers, but this is Dark Souls.

Graveyard gauntlet: Fine, fitting, only a challenge if you can't 2-3 shot the zombies. The leech-men are a neat idea, good visual, good gimmick with their infection.

First roof segment: Eh. Enemies are all weak, stagger easy, and the ambushes aren't too dickish. The wardens or whatever they're called with the dual wield weapons and the extreme aggression are frustrating. I had the two at the end get stuck patrolling together and had to cheese them with Alluring Skulls, lest I be flurried-charged to death.

Interior: Visually, fine, but could've used way more Deep imagery/corruption, given it's supposed to be the dregs of Dark. I like the giant(s) gimmick, slimes are an odd choice of enemy, could've used a new enemy type instead of more tiny hollows and priests. The big knights are neat, teach you how to deal with a greatshield, and the Deep monstrosity is a good ambush. Plus Patches, Kirk, gotta get that nostalgia in there. I wish mimics were updated to be way more dickish, with invincible chests, no reason to ever get tricked by one.

Boss: Eh. I like the idea, but in practice, the only threat are the fatties and the spell spam.

Second roof segment: Fuck this shit. That tall hollow with the great-axe on the left cubby is terrible design, fuck him. Just make enemies become damage immune after 2 hits, save us all the grief.

Rosaria: Waifu. True goddess. Purge all those disgusting grub-men tho.

The area suffered from the minimal lore paradigm. There's a lot of cool ideas going on that just doesn't get the exposition it needed. The Deep sounds _cool_, Aldritch sounds disgusting, what's with the giants, what's with this and that, I want to get into it, dammit!


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