Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

[Vol]

Watching someone start a Genocide run in Undertale, and they're a kind-hearted, pretty lady who really likes Papyrus, is some dark comedy. A pity I'm going to sleep because I'm somehow a responsible adult on worknights. VODs lack the magic of livestreams.

[TheodoricFriede]

Watching someone start a Genocide run in Undertale...

If I may quote Elvis Presley:

Too much monkey business for me to be involved in.

[Dragaros]

That's like saying Super Smash Brothers has a story if you know where to look.

Yeah I guess there is, in fact, a story that exists somewhere but that's about as useful as a heart monitor that sometimes monitors.

The 2016 Doom does it fact have story and world-building. I've played it myself and can vouch for what they're saying. Its delivery of the bulk of the plot and background info is actually similar to Metroid Prime's method. The Doom Slayer collects data logs and builds up codex entries not unlike Samus does with her scan visor/logbook. There's actually a lot of things in the 2016 Doom that are reminiscent of Metroid Prime. So much so that I'd venture to say at least a few of the people who worked on it were big Metroid fans. Its only a mindless shooter if you want to treat it that way and skip all that.

[Dragaros]

#PrettyPluto

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr5Pj6GQL2o

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztePQW8GzsM

The dragon from Dragon's Dogma and Tiamat/Takhisis from the various D&D settings should get honorable mentions.

The Dragonzord, despite its name, is more of a mechagodzilla analog. Zedd's super-sized zord Serpentera, now that's a proper mecha dragon.

Alola Exeggutor? Really?

Smaug is indeed the most well known of Tolkien's dragons, but he's a tiny newt compared to Ancalagon the Black.

I appreciate that Lord Ridley was remembered and included.

No love for King Ghidorah, the destroyer of worlds?

[Dragaros]

"JRR Tolkien's first Middle Earth story, The Fall of Gondolin, to be published"

"JRR Tolkien's The Fall of Gondolin, which the author described as "the first real story" set in Middle-earth, is to be published as a stand-alone book for the first time. The book charts the story of an elven city sacked by the Dark Lord, Morgoth. The author started writing it in 1917, before returning to Middle-earth for The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien Society chair Shaun Gunner said many fans regarded The Fall of Gondolin as "the Holy Grail of Tolkien texts". The Fall of Gondolin is the second "new" work to be edited and released by Tolkien's son Christopher Tolkien in two years."

"Christopher, once referred to by his father as his "chief critic and collaborator", has since spent much of his life organising his father's unpublished writings. He has edited and posthumously published works including The Silmarillion and The Children of Hurin. It's thought Tolkien began writing The Fall of Gondolin while recovering from active service during World War One in 1917. The story will act as a missing link, chronicling the ancient history of Middle-earth before the events in The Lord of the Rings. Responding to the news, Mr Gunner said: "We never dared to dream that we would see this published. "The Fall of Gondolin is, to many in the Tolkien community, the Holy Grail of Tolkien texts as one of Tolkien's three Great Tales alongside The Children of Hurin and Beren and Luthien." The novel, set to arrive in bookshops on 30 August, is illustrated by Alan Lee, whose work on books The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit provided the inspiration for Peter Jackson's film adaptations."

[TTTX]

The dragon from Dragon's Dogma and Tiamat/Takhisis from the various D&D settings should get honorable mentions.

The Dragonzord, despite its name, is more of a mechagodzilla analog. Zedd's super-sized zord Serpentera, now that's a proper mecha dragon.

Alola Exeggutor? Really?

Smaug is indeed the most well known of Tolkien's dragons, but he's a tiny newt compared to Ancalagon the Black.

I appreciate that Lord Ridley was remembered and included.

No love for King Ghidorah, the destroyer of worlds?

Draco from Dragon heart.

Then there are all the dragon's from Yugioh.

[Mazder]

It was the fact that the Doom Slayer basically had the players reaction to the story elements. The story itself was intriguing, and had depth. But the Doom Slayers reactions was our reactions. Call of Duty was basically a shooter on rails, with the narrative shoved in your face. Black Ops 2 had some variation that affected the outcome, which was a nice departure.

Doom 2016 took all of that AAA bullshit and smashed it in the face. Looking deeper allows you to see all the nuances and throwbacks, and the gameplay itself was damn near perfect.

The naysayers just say it's a mindless shooter, exploiting ultra violence and gore for the dullard gamers, but they're not looking deep enough.

They did not survive the passage that preys upon the weak.

Edit: And the music was perfection.

To be fair the game doesn't exactly encourage the player to look deep enough when the player character turns away from story elements at every turn.
Given that I'd have imagined most players would have followed the "rules and conventions" and done just like the player character does and ignore the story. For whatever reason. To be more badass? To get the "real DOOM experience?" I can't say honestly, all I can say is that the first time around the game entertained me for about 76 minutes due to it feeling a little too familiar.
I don't know if it was being too familiar to DOOM as it was or too familiar with modern shooters conventions and it not doing enough to slap them in the face early on to be entertaining enough, or maybe I was DOOM'd out before I'd started because I need more than what it offered, which TBH it is a run and gun gore fest with ancillary material hidden away that you're encouraged to NOT look at. There is no shame in being simple. Simple is good, it means it stayed on task.

Also this elitist "They did not survive the passage that preys upon the weak." bullshit from the core audience really turns me away from ever trying it again. Same with trying Dark Souls.

The 2016 Doom does it fact have story and world-building. I've played it myself and can vouch for what they're saying. Its delivery of the bulk of the plot and background info is actually similar to Metroid Prime's method. The Doom Slayer collects data logs and builds up codex entries not unlike Samus does with her scan visor/logbook. There's actually a lot of things in the 2016 Doom that are reminiscent of Metroid Prime. So much so that I'd venture to say at least a few of the people who worked on it were big Metroid fans. Its only a mindless shooter if you want to treat it that way and skip all that.

Again it kinda treats itself that way, so it's not hard to follow along with it.

Plus TBH if I really wanted to read a book about DOOM I would. I haven't because I honestly don't care when it comes to DOOM.
And you shouldn't really need to.

Humans do science shit, open crazy portal to actual Hell, DOOMguy kills them all and closes portal.
Story done in 3 points because that's all it shold need because DOOM at it's heart is simple. Simple doesn't even mean anything negative.

Mind you I am also getting less and less tolerant of logbooks/codexes being used as exposition dumps in games rather than housing it to remind yourself if you have forgotten. You should be able to learn everything you need from character interaction and game plots and game play. Logs and codexes should not be the primary source of information, or the first acquisition of information.

[TheodoricFriede]

Also this elitist "They did not survive the passage that preys upon the weak." bullshit from the core audience really turns me away from ever trying it again.

Also its a generic fucking FPS. which makes that statement at best confusing, and at worst hilarious.

Same with trying Dark Souls.

For the record, and I say this as a Dark Souls fan, any idiot can make it through those games. You just have to take the time to understand the mechanics. That and accept that Souls are completely meaningless, and losing them is ultimately irrelevant.

[TTTX]

For the record, and I say this as a Dark Souls fan, any idiot can make it through those games. You just have to take the time to understand the mechanics. That and accept that Souls are completely meaningless, and losing them is ultimately irrelevant.

Doom is something that any idiot can understand and play without much effort.

Dark Souls isn't that, you need time and some Intelligence in order to play properly.

I says this as a guy who have tried the souls 2 and basically gave up because the game just didn't feel fun at all to me and felt lost in what to do and how to do it.

[Someone With Mass]

Hey, does anyone know where I can get texture materials without having to throw twenty bucks per jpg at them? I'm trying to apply texture to a lighthouse in a (poorly made) 3D model of an Edward Hopper picture I have to make as part of a course.

Also, fuck houses with slanted rooftops.

[Raga]

The dragon from Dragon's Dogma and Tiamat/Takhisis from the various D&D settings should get honorable mentions.

The Dragonzord, despite its name, is more of a mechagodzilla analog. Zedd's super-sized zord Serpentera, now that's a proper mecha dragon.

Alola Exeggutor? Really?

Smaug is indeed the most well known of Tolkien's dragons, but he's a tiny newt compared to Ancalagon the Black.

I appreciate that Lord Ridley was remembered and included.

No love for King Ghidorah, the destroyer of worlds?

Orm Embar from Earthsea should get a mention as well. Temeraire from the Naomi Novik novels as well.

Klauth should also be on the list even though he doesn't appear in many novels. In terms of raw stats he is basically a demi-god.

Hephaestus combined with Crinshinibon the Crystal Shard in the Drizzt series was ungodly powerful as well if not very memorable or long lasting. Basically a spectral dracolich so not good.

@Doom stuff

I am just done with shooters. They are borderline pointless if you don't play multiplayer. When I just want to cause mayhem for the sake of it, I tend to think action platformer/shooter type games like Ratcher and Clank are more fun anyway.

[Mazder]

Also this elitist "They did not survive the passage that preys upon the weak." bullshit from the core audience really turns me away from ever trying it again.

Also its a generic fucking FPS. which makes that statement at best confusing, and at worst hilarious.

Same with trying Dark Souls.

For the record, and I say this as a Dark Souls fan, any idiot can make it through those games. You just have to take the time to understand the mechanics. That and accept that Souls are completely meaningless, and losing them is ultimately irrelevant.

Yeah and TBH from what I have seen from vidoes on both sides of the spectrum the mechanics in the Souls games are shit/poorly applied, but it's just accepted.
In any other game they'd be called for the shit controls they are and modded out.

[Alienmorph]

I think FPS are a genre one tends to grow past... they tend to be very same-y, especially the AAA ones, and thei're plagued by very toxic and over-competitive online communities and offer less and less singleplayer content with every generation. More so than other genres even, which is quite a sad accomplishment, considering the overall shit state the mainstream gaming industry is. With that said... if I were to pick a AAA first person shooter it'd probably be Doom or Overwatch, they at least have some personality and enough visual appeal for me to give a shit about what I'm shooting at. But I definately understand the people finding even those uninteresting.

I will also make an exception for Metroid Prime 4, that is the one first person shooter that I'm really really looking forward to, but hey... I don't think that's a surprise for anyone here lol

[Raga]

Mind you I am also getting less and less tolerant of logbooks/codexes being used as exposition dumps in games rather than housing it to remind yourself if you have forgotten. You should be able to learn everything you need from character interaction and game plots and game play. Logs and codexes should not be the primary source of information, or the first acquisition of information.

So this. As I've gotten older, my tolerance for rooting around in convoluted menu systems has gotten pretty much nonexistent whether it's for leveling, inventory, codexes or whatever. I don't mind supplemental material in there, but core material should be available via conversations, taped recordings, or visual story-telling, not four hundred scattered notes and journals that people conveniently left lying around for me.

[TheodoricFriede]

Yeah and TBH from what I have seen from vidoes on both sides of the spectrum the mechanics in the Souls games are shit/poorly applied, but it's just accepted.
In any other game they'd be called for the shit controls they are and modded out.

...Why did I even try?

I really should know better than this.

[Mobius_118]

We all like what we like.

I can see Dark Souls for the depth that it has despite its flaws. It's a great series.

[Someone With Mass]

So this. As I've gotten older, my tolerance for rooting around in convoluted menu systems has gotten pretty much nonexistent whether it's for leveling, inventory, codexes or whatever. I don't mind supplemental material in there, but core material should be available via conversations, taped recordings, or visual story-telling, not four hundred scattered notes and journals that people conveniently left lying around for me.

That brings up a pet peeve I have. It's when I'm interrupted while I'm listening to a recording by some mission dialogue or any dialogue whatsoever and the recording stops and then I can't listen to it again without restarting the level.

Also, if you want to make me read through your fluff, then you better make me damn interested in your game's world.

[Mazder]

...Why did I even try?

I really should know better than this.

No I didn't mean it as a derogatory, merely an observation I find intriguing amongst Soul players that they just out up with shit from those games that other audiences from other games would expect a fix, but Souls ones find it as a part of the charm.

I'm not sure if I am the type of player to be accepting of it but then again I am also not saying if I am or not, merely that the tolerance is observable.

[Vol]

Kuktaku is reporting a new Bioshock game is under development at a secret studio. Seems legit. I like the Bioshocks. I hope it's good.

[Someone With Mass]

Kuktaku is reporting a new Bioshock game is under development at a secret studio. Seems legit. I like the Bioshocks. I hope it's good.

Let's hope this one has an ending that doesn't involve dimensional/time travel.

[Rune]

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[TheodoricFriede]

First comes the hype train, then the Bondrewd hate train.

You called?

[Dragaros]

Kuktaku is reporting a new Bioshock game is under development at a secret studio. Seems legit. I like the Bioshocks. I hope it's good.

Let's hope this one has an ending that doesn't involve dimensional/time travel.

Would you kindly make another BioShock game? Bring us the game and wipe away the debt.

Well, if the game has another remote, isolated "utopian" city built from the ambition of one man that ultimately fell victim to political/philosophical/religious/economic extremism and has become a living nightmare populated with science-made monstrosities, crazed maniacs, and wannabe tyrants, I won't be surprised if there are easter eggs alluding to the other games, if not something direct and overt such as Elizabeth showing up out of a tear in the space-time continuum and going on about how “There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city…”

Mind you I am also getting less and less tolerant of logbooks/codexes being used as exposition dumps in games rather than housing it to remind yourself if you have forgotten. You should be able to learn everything you need from character interaction and game plots and game play. Logs and codexes should not be the primary source of information, or the first acquisition of information.

I think its something that needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, since that storytelling method is a tool, and like all tools, its great when used in its correct application, but terrible or useless when its not. It all depends on the type of game, and what the game's focus is, and determining how best to present the story's less critical details without interrupting the flow or atmosphere of the experience as little as possible. There are a lot of games out there that implement logbooks and codexes to flesh out their world very poorly/lazily/incompetently/distractingly, hamstringing the plot rather than enriching it, or shove it into a narrative where it doesn't belong, coming across as lazy and forced rather than creative and natural, among other negative things. But there are some games where such a storytelling method is warranted, and implemented well so it doesn't detract from play or hurt the plot, and rewards the player. Games with uncomplicated objectives, silent protagonists, little to no dialogue, characters that are completely alone all or most of the time, or with an emphasis on exploration, suspense, mystery or horror come to mind. But to each his own. Its not something everyone likes, even when done well.

[Dragaros]

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[Dragaros]

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[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS0WL_eC6xw

God of War 2 is the best in the series in my opinion.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UahER0vaWKc

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIsrjCwXp-4

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXMHI77Imbo

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkEB_2zTs9A

[Vol]

Let's hope this one has an ending that doesn't involve dimensional/time travel.

I liked it overall, and the enemy selection was more unsettling than the Rapture crowd. The time travel/dimension stuff was alright, but while I liked the attempt to make the series connected, it didn't end with a satisfying resolution for the characters. Booker has to die, because in all universes where Columbia exists and shit goes crazy, they all stem from Booker turning to Comstock. Great. So we solved the problem (I didn't play the DLC), but that wasn't the problem I cared about. I cared about Booker and Elizabeth, not multiverse inhabitants. Though the scene with the infinite lighthouses warmed my cold, cold heart.

First comes the hype train, then the Bondrewd hate train.

But how could a man called the Lord of Light be bad? Surely he's a nice, eccentric fellow. Surely. Ooh, anyone want a juice pack?

[Mazder]

I think its something that needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, since that storytelling method is a tool, and like all tools, its great when used in its correct application, but terrible or useless when its not. It all depends on the type of game, and what the game's focus is, and determining how best to present the story's less critical details without interrupting the flow or atmosphere of the experience as little as possible. There are a lot of games out there that implement logbooks and codexes to flesh out their world very poorly/lazily/incompetently/distractingly, hamstringing the plot rather than enriching it, or shove it into a narrative where it doesn't belong, coming across as lazy and forced rather than creative and natural, among other negative things. But there are some games where such a storytelling method is warranted, and implemented well so it doesn't detract from play or hurt the plot, and rewards the player. Games with uncomplicated objectives, silent protagonists, little to no dialogue, characters that are completely alone all or most of the time, or with an emphasis on exploration, suspense, mystery or horror come to mind. But to each his own. Its not something everyone likes, even when done well.

Okay, to be fair I do mean the more lazy/bad/ill fitting ones when I referred to it, but you're right some do fit it well.
Mass Effect being plain as an example.

Now if we could get codexes as books again that'd be nice. Hell, even as an e-book would be fine.
I can read it when not playing then.

[Dragaros]

[Dragaros]

[Dragaros]

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVVvrSDGwvA

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQA851fRdG4

[Mobius_118]

DOOM Snip*

...I should get one.

[Vol]

Well, shit. R. Lee Ermey has passed away at 74.

[Azint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3_iPskjxk
Show me your war face.

[Mobius_118]

Yeah so I heard. Sad day.

*snip*

Good times. He'd be considered all buddy buddy compared to my Basic days.

[Vol]

Well, now the Pearly Gates have a damn fine Gunny to scream at the recruits.

[Dragaros]

Well, shit. R. Lee Ermey has passed away at 74.

Aw, fuck. Another legend dies. RIP.

He was awesome. Used to watch his shows on the History Channel, Mail Call and Lock n' Load. The first film I saw him in was Frighteners:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQvEBaLYHJE

Well, now the Pearly Gates have a damn fine Gunny to scream at the recruits.

"What are you looking at, numbnuts? Yeah, I'm talking to you! You think you deserve to get into heaven? Well, let me tell you something, maggot! You got a lot of explaining to do! You little scumbag! I got your name! I got your ass! You will not laugh! You will not cry! You will learn by the numbers! I will teach you! You had best unfuck yourself, or I will unscrew your head and shit down your neck!"
"Isn't St. Peter supposed to be the one doing this...?"
"He's on vacation. You're stuck with me, maggot!"

[TheodoricFriede]

Ill take my chances with hell...

[Mobius_118]

Ill take my chances with hell...

Well it's either R. Lee Ermy in heaven or me in hell.

Have fun.

[TheodoricFriede]

You are now thinking about the fact that R. Lee Ermey achieved a higher military rank then you ever did by being in a movie.