Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

[SciFlyBoy]

So much room and space on the inside, especially considering its like, almost twice as small as the Normandy.
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The Normandy always felt small to me. Probably a lot smaller than it actually was.

The Tempest probably has more usable space for the player to roam around in, and therefor will appear bigger.

Miranda's room. When you looked out the window there was an extra layer of ship before you reached the outside window. Chances are the Normandy was mostly smaller on the inside because of the stealth technology and armor it held on the outer layers. The scenes they just showed on the Tempest looked like the rooms reached to the outside layer of the craft. Perhaps the ship is smaller in size, but has much more space to work with on the inside.

[Dragaros]

Ryder: My cabin is so huge!

*meanwhile, back in the milky way*

Shepard: I felt a disturbance in the Force…

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Tali would love that drive core.

[Alienmorph]

But does your cabin comes with a sexy alien girl with wide hips, a love for shotguns and that is NOT a stalk-y asari? Does it, Ryder?

And yeah, Tali would geek out so much about that whole ship.

[TheodoricFriede]

But does your cabin comes with a sexy alien girl with wide hips, a love for shotguns and that is NOT a stalk-y asari? Does it, Ryder?

I tell you what, if that cabin comes with a Turian lady we'll call it even.

[Mazder]

How in the hell does it have a drive core THAT tiny?
Even the Tantalus Drive wasn't that small!

[TheodoricFriede]

How in the hell does it have a drive core THAT tiny?
Even the Tantalus Drive wasn't that small!

...Tiny? For a ship that size its enormous.

[Alienmorph]

But does your cabin comes with a sexy alien girl with wide hips, a love for shotguns and that is NOT a stalk-y asari? Does it, Ryder?

I tell you what, if that cabin comes with a Turian lady we'll call it even.

Fair enough!

[Mazder]

How in the hell does it have a drive core THAT tiny?
Even the Tantalus Drive wasn't that small!

...Tiny? For a ship that size its enormous.

TBH the "core" part of the ship isn't that much bigger than the SR1, the wing sections were just bigger.
And even then they made a big song and dance about the drive core being that small for what it does, which was stealth.
Apparently this ship can do that, and is fast with a smaller drive core than the Tantalus drive.

Hell cerberus had to steal the plans to modify them for the SR2.

[TheodoricFriede]

Apparently this ship can do that, and is fast with a smaller drive core than the Tantalus drive.

Uh... the Tantalus drive wasn't small. It was huge.
Thats why the Normandy was as fast as it was. Thats why that admiral was complaining that they could have used that much Element Zero to make several dozen fighters.

Thats why Adams mentions that while the SR2 is twice the size of the SR1, the drive is 3 times bigger.

[Mazder]

Apparently this ship can do that, and is fast with a smaller drive core than the Tantalus drive.

Uh... the Tantalus drive wasn't small. It was huge.
Thats why the Normandy was as fast as it was. Thats why that admiral was complaining that they could have used that much Element Zero to make several dozen fighters.

Thats why Adams mentions that while the SR2 is twice the size of the SR1, the drive is 3 times bigger.

Yeah but it's a Cruiser's Drive inside a Frigate with SR1 and it was a MASSIVE achivement to get it int he ship.
Now they're claiming this tiny core can make the Tempest perform like the Normandy, sans heatsinks.

[TheodoricFriede]

Now they're claiming this tiny core can make the Tempest perform like the Normandy, sans heatsinks.

...I dont understand what you are arguing. The drive core of both the Normandy SR1, Normandy SR2, and the Tempest are all very very very large.

[Mazder]

Now they're claiming this tiny core can make the Tempest perform like the Normandy, sans heatsinks.

...I dont understand what you are arguing. The drive core of both the Normandy SR1, Normandy SR2, and the Tempest are all very very very large.

The Tempest's one does not look large in comparison to what it can claim it can do.
That is what I am saying.

[TheodoricFriede]

The Tempest's one does not look large in comparison to what it can claim it can do.
That is what I am saying.

Its half the size of the one on the SR2, at least. The Tempest is half the size of the SR2.

[Mazder]

The Tempest's one does not look large in comparison to what it can claim it can do.
That is what I am saying.

Its half the size of the one on the SR2, at least. The Tempest is half the size of the SR2.

It's smaller than the SR1, technically.
Therefore it should be having performance relative to it, not the SR2.

[TheodoricFriede]

It's smaller than the SR1, technically.
Therefore it should be having performance relative to it, not the SR2.

...I dont understand what you think is happening.

[SciFlyBoy]

There are 4 cylinder engines that can make 600 hp with the right modifications. There are also 8 cylinder engines that make 120 hp, they're just old and are made differently. I'm sure the Temp's engines are they same principle.

[TheodoricFriede]

The thing is, if the ultimate argument is "the engine is small" than the argument is flawed.

The engine clearly isn't small.

[Alienmorph]

The ship is half the size of the second Normandy. And the Normandy had an oversized drive core to begin with.

The Tempest's drive core is fine.

[TheodoricFriede]

Man that scene with Garrus...

Team Dextro is fantastic, but I dont think any character, Tali included, has had quite the same journey from a kind of throw away character to the best character in the entire series.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't know if 16 lightyears per day is faster than any of the Normandies, but if it is, and the Tempest is supposed to be a long range reconnaissance ship, that drive core should be a bit bigger. Then again, maybe it has the same anti-static buildup technology that the Nexus do and can afford a smaller core.

Must be nice to have hundreds of billions of credits to just throw around, though.

[TheodoricFriede]

Oh Photoshop Tali face....

I hope you get retconed in the new game.

[TheodoricFriede]

Thessia is the point where the downward spiral of Mass Effect 3 really starts.

Theres stupid plot stuff before it, but nothing so agonizingly frustrating and manufactured as Thessia and beyond.

[SciFlyBoy]

Thessia is the point where the downward spiral of Mass Effect 3 really starts.

Theres stupid plot stuff before it, but nothing so agonizingly frustrating and manufactured as Thessia and beyond.

You took your Prothean along, right?

[Alienmorph]

That part is pretty much hilariously awful all around. The Prothean archeologyst that tails to see the resemblance in ancient as heck artifacts, because she's too stubborn or delusional about her species' history.

But that aside yeahh... there was alot of stupid and plothole-y crap before Thessia, but that mission is pretty much the series' point of no return.

And to add insult to injury that mission was simplified down to the max, due to time, refusal to put Liara in mortal danger (as per the beta-scripts) or both.

[Someone With Mass]

Not to mention that the Normandy could've easily turned that gunship into a heap of molten metal within seconds.

[TheodoricFriede]

Liara not getting it is not my issue.

My issue is the fact that at no point does anyone try to riddle Kai Lang with bullets while hes standing there. And at no point am I allowed to be angry at the fact that the asari basically are the cause of every problem we encountered.

If they shared that prothean tech they were hiding illegally, the galaxy would have been prepared for the Reapers. Even if they only shared it after the reapers showed up initially, the crucible would have been finished much faster.

But no Counselor Tevo shares the information AS REAPERS ARE LANDING ON THE GODDAMNED PLANET.

FUCK THE ASARI.

Not to mention that the Normandy could've easily turned that gunship into a heap of molten metal within seconds.

Or, you know, Shepard, who has destroyed hundreds of them. Or Garrus, who can literally disable them with one well aimed shot.

[Someone With Mass]

My issue is the fact that at no point does anyone try to riddle Kai Lang with bullets while hes standing there.

That's also how Thane died. Shepard and his team could've started mowing Kai down the second the fight started, but nooooo...

Or, you know, Shepard, who has destroyed hundreds of them. Or Garrus, who can literally disable them with one well aimed shot.

With Cerberus, the only possible kill is overkill. That and I'd have liked to see Kai Lame quite literally melt in that stream of tungsten.

[Alienmorph]

FUCK THE ASARI.

That's what Mac and Casey wanted you to do since day one. Don't let them win

Jokes aside... the Turians really started the First Contact War because of a Reaper artifact, the Asari had Prothean tech hidden on their homeplanet that could reveal the existence of the Reapers CENTURIES before the events of the games, at least, and Rachni and Geth had multiple contact with the Sovereign and the other reapers, which is why they turned against everyone else... hell even Kasumi and her boyfriend managed to casually come across proofs of the REapers' existence, and thei're just two random space-Robin Hoods.

Did anyone NOT know about the reapers? Were they all aware of them to some degree and decided to kept it for themselves? And then Shepard is given shit to no end because he's the ONE GUY (or gal) that managed to connect the dots?

Man, I think I despise the alien governments in ME even more, when I put it like that...

[Riptide]

I don't even blame the asari for Thessia, or the beacon or any of it.

They were hit by the idiot ball, but its the writers who threw it.

[Dragaros]

Liara not getting it is not my issue.

My issue is the fact that at no point does anyone try to riddle Kai Lang with bullets while hes standing there. And at no point am I allowed to be angry at the fact that the asari basically are the cause of every problem we encountered.

If they shared that prothean tech they were hiding illegally, the galaxy would have been prepared for the Reapers. Even if they only shared it after the reapers showed up initially, the crucible would have been finished much faster.

But no Counselor Tevo shares the information AS REAPERS ARE LANDING ON THE GODDAMNED PLANET.

FUCK THE ASARI.

There's a lot of political bullshit in the Mass Effect setting, and that one is definitely in the top three, if not at the very top as number one. The asari government's hypocrisy, elitism, stubbornness, and arrogance effects the entire galaxy in ways that costs countless lives. Who knows how many people were killed by the Reapers that might not have been if they had come forward sooner.

And on top of that, the asari Counselor, one of the most powerful politicians in all of galactic civilization, is completely in the pocket of Aria, the top gangster in the galaxy. The Turian Counselor may be an ass, but at least he's not bending over backwards for a crime lord, or withholding vital information and resources to the war effort were the stakes for losing is extinction.

[Dragaros]

[Someone With Mass]

Huh. I don't recall information about Ryder taking up Daddy Ryder's mantle. Unless he's the one that'll be doing the alien boning, which'd almost be an N7 tradition at this point. Discover new frontiers, uncover ancient mysteries, tumble around with hot aliens.

[TheodoricFriede]

Huh. I don't recall information about Ryder taking up Daddy Ryder's mantle.

They have absolutely said that you would take over his position.

Thats why you are called "Pathfinder."

[Someone With Mass]

Huh. I don't recall information about Ryder taking up Daddy Ryder's mantle.

They have absolutely said that you would take over his position.

Thats why you are called "Pathfinder."

In my defense, my brain filters out like 90% of everything they say, because it either amounts to nothing or tries to sound clever when it's really not.

[Hackett923]

Josh Stowers ‏@joshstowers101
Hey Mac! Was wondering if you could confirm if the Tempest has no weaponry at all or just no 'main' gun? Many thanks

Mac Walters @macwalterslives
No weaponry. It is a scouting and research vessel for exploration. #WeComeInPeace

[Alienmorph]

That seems... very very unwise...

[TTTX]

That seems... very very unwise...

It's idiot territory if I ever heard it.

having no way to protect yourself in an unknown territory is just dumb with a big D.

[Alienmorph]

Maybe they just didn't want anyone to crack more "calibrations" jokes, but that's not really a good excuse...

[Someone With Mass]

Hey, remember how the turians almost started a full-scale war just because some humans tried to open a mass relay, fearing that it might let something like the rachni or worse come through? Now they're doing just that to AN ENTIRE GALAXY of unknowns while proclaiming "caution to the wind!"

There's optimism and then there's brain dead stupidity.

[Dragaros]

Josh Stowers ‏@joshstowers101
Hey Mac! Was wondering if you could confirm if the Tempest has no weaponry at all or just no 'main' gun? Many thanks

Mac Walters @macwalterslives
No weaponry. It is a scouting and research vessel for exploration. #WeComeInPeace

[Dragaros]

[Hackett923]

https://youtu.be/R1zwazGnX1A

[TheodoricFriede]

Who was that he asked?

If he asked some QA tester, thats not much of an answer.

Edit: Oh its Mike Gamble. Ok, he probably knows.

[Hackett923]

Make of this what you will guys.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Jaal is quarian.

[Riptide]

More likely Jaal is an Andromeda race.

[TheodoricFriede]

The ending of mass effect 3 is still phenomenally bad. It breaks its own logic at every damned turn.

i tried listening, really listening, to the explanations of each "choice" and they literally do not make sense. And thats WITH the extended cut.

To this day, its still incredible to me how badly it fails.

[TheodoricFriede]

More likely Jaal is an Andromeda race.

I think Jaal is that villain we saw in an early trailer. Queen of the Kett or whatever.

[Deano]

The ending of mass effect 3 is still phenomenally bad. It breaks its own logic at every damned turn.

i tried listening, really listening, to the explanations of each "choice" and they literally do not make sense. And thats WITH the extended cut.

To this day, its still incredible to me how badly it fails.

That's why we play on PC with MEHEM.

[Alienmorph]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Jaal is quarian.

Jaal sounds alot like a "good" generic space bad guy name. At best I could see it been the name of the Salarian Pilot.

The ending of mass effect 3 is still phenomenally bad. It breaks its own logic at every damned turn.

i tried listening, really listening, to the explanations of each "choice" and they literally do not make sense. And thats WITH the extended cut.

To this day, its still incredible to me how badly it fails.

I still retain that the ending is just the icing on the shit-cake. The plot of ME3 is fucked since the first moment the reapers reach earth and the do NOT seal all mass relays on their way. Because fuck carrying on the same routine that worked for billions of years, the humans deserve a fighting chance.

If you really think about it, ME3's premise if just one giant plothole, and all the ones that follow just pile ontop of it, to the point that in the end everything is just a depressing mess, and pulling out of their ass a deus-ex-machine like the Starbrat was pretty much the only option they had left to write themselves out of the corner.

That's why I laugh my ass off when I get accused of just been mad at the ending. Nooo... I'm first and foremost mad at the whole shitty storyline that made the ME3's ending necessary.

[Someone With Mass]

Mass Effect 2 had some problems too, but at least that journey felt good and rewarding. In ME3, I was just waiting for the game to try and force feed me more of the pig slop it calls a plot.

Really, all the tension and sense of loss the Reapers brought with them was instantly rendered null and void when the Crucible was brought up within the first hour, because I knew that thing was going to work one way or the other from a storytelling perspective. If they had waited and let the urgency actually set in (turns out that I don't really give a shit about Earth on the galactic scale) and then give some hints about the Crucible along the way, then I would have found it more accepting.

There's a difference between a superweapon that's made out of desperation at a critical point in a prolonged war and the magical History Reaper Eraser Button.